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[*] Posted on 7-21-2004 at 03:53 PM Reply With Quote
About hack installations



It has come to the management's attention that several members here are having other people install hacks on their sites.

While this in itself it not a problem, it IS a problem however, when the other person installing hacks on your board is either:

a) installing these hacks at the same time (or directly after) we install them

b) installing these hacks and overwriting what we do

c) has no idea what they are doing

When you submit an installation request, you should be receiving an e-mail stating not to make any changes to your board, and to make a backup, and neither of these things are being done.

If this continues, we will consider denying hack installations to people who deliberately allow other people to modify their board and destroy the hacks that we installed. This is causing quite a headache among the installers, especially when code that they have put in files is "disappearing" in the middle of an installation.

In summary, please do not allow anyone else to modify your boards after you have submitted a request, until the request is complete and you have verified that EVERYTHING IS WORKING PROPERLY.


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[*] Posted on 7-25-2004 at 03:33 AM Reply With Quote


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Well this has just gotten way out of hand. Over the last week there has been a least a dozen instances where our work is getting overwritten. I spent the last 3 days adding many hacks to FatalBabii's site. I went to do some more just a little while ago and when I opened up the lang file on the server everything was wiped out but a hack that she requested to be removed several days ago. There is someone else on her site doing (or trying to do) hack installations and they aren't even smart enough to grab the current files off of the server before making changes. And everytime I look at the log file and I see this other person in there at the same time I am or shortly after.

Yesterday Guldan did an install for another member and this member came back with another request of the exact same hacks that Guldan did earlier. Why? Because, as she admitted, she wiped them out.

In lieu of all this ignorance XMBG will be changing to a paid service in the coming weeks. It has become necessary because we cannot take having our time and work wasted like this. We tried it for free and people still want to continue adding hacks when they can't hack their way out of a wet paper sack.

Under the new paid service when implemented it will be a contract basis with each individiual that XMBG will be the exclusive installer and maintenance provider for each account. If the member trashes their board it will cost extra for XMBG to go in and fix the problems. If you're serious about your site then you won't mind paying. If not, then you can continue to have as many people logging in to your site and changing stuff and you can trash it as often as you like. We are not dealing with it anymore. XMBG will also be offering a database backup and recovery service as well since it seems so many people do not have a clue as to what they are doing when it comes to hacking and backing up. I have seen numerous instances where people have u2u'd me telling me they are backed up and then something happens and they now don't have a current backup of their database.

So if you are serious and care about your forums then you won't mind paying for it to have it operational and problem free.




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[*] Posted on 7-25-2004 at 01:29 PM Reply With Quote


daaaaaaang, So how much will it cost? Can i still submit a form for installation now? I was just about to do so when i came across this thread. :(
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[*] Posted on 7-25-2004 at 02:53 PM Reply With Quote


We're still doing them for free for now. We dont know yet how we will be charging, nor how much or when we will be going to a paid service. But this has gotten completely out of hand. This week has been so frustrating and irritating because we're having to do the same installs over again because people not aware of what they're doing are going in and removing hacks, and using old backups, instead of using common sense and grabing the ones off the server. So by going to a paid service, we hope to curb this stupidity.



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[*] Posted on 7-25-2004 at 03:03 PM Reply With Quote


dang well i feel u, I dont mess with a thing because i already know i dont know what im doing, so i leave all that up to you guys. But u guys have been great with installing hacks for me so good job! :)
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[*] Posted on 7-25-2004 at 03:18 PM Reply With Quote


Yea, see we dont mind installing for you guys when your smart enough to admit you dont know. Then we're here to help you. But when someone starts to remove a hack right as i'm installing, and using an old backup to boot, thats just stupid and very frustrating for us.



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[*] Posted on 7-27-2004 at 08:07 PM Reply With Quote


Oh my, I know how you're feeling and great ideal to charge a fee. It should make an individual think twice before allowing changes to their site(s).



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Well I just found this thread and just found this board tonight and just submitted a form to get 3 hacks installed. I can promise you that I have no problem paying you guys for your time. It is only fair since I'm getting something out of it that will be bettering my site and hopefully making me more money in the long run.

I also have no problem using you guy's exclusively for my board hack installs. That is only common sense and if only you guy's are working on my board then you shouldn't run into any surprises with others messing with code.

I would also like to suggest that maybe you guys might look at implementing to begin with a paid priority service...where say like myself I am willing to pay for a hack I would get priority service over others just wanting free hack installs.

Also...lol...you might just look at signing up for a PayPal account so people can pay you for your services...it's very easy to use and I have had one for over 2 years now.

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If you had a PayPal account I could pay you right this minute for any service provided. That is how I pay all my hosting fees ...cam fees and all my Ebay purchases from New Dell computers to Nikon Digital SLR cameras.

Just some ideas....

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[*] Posted on 7-28-2004 at 12:59 AM Reply With Quote


I do have a paypal account that I use quite often. :jivin: Gotta have all methods of payment doing biz online.

And I must say that I do like your ideas and have duly notated them and will be given definite consideration. I like the idea of start with a priority service. But as far as pricing goes I don't have a clue just yet. This has only come to light recently due to a lot of work being wasted and having to be redone. So it's still pretty much bits and pieces floating around in the grey matter.




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[*] Posted on 7-28-2004 at 03:38 AM Reply With Quote


I see your jumping on my badwagon Jim. hehehe, was just explaing the other day that I will be launchi9ng my services for all XMBS/CR hack exclusives though us personaly. I imagine we will have to chat a bit now. I have my project roadmapped already. Just waiting for 1.9 final to come out before commencing it though.
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Not really jumping on it as this was originally mine and huskysgrl's plan back in March. But something's gotta be done about people wiping out work that's been done. I'm just tired of having mine, and the installers, time and efforts trashed. I'm sure you can understand that point all too well. ;) I think there will be enough people to go around. But sure we can sit down and powwow. Catch me like this Sunday evening or Monday as they are usually slow around here most of the time. I just have a lot going on this week Still have 2 days of parental driving duties, I have a chiropractor appointment Friday afternoon and we sign on our house Friday morning. Then Saturday is rehearsal. Sunday I may take the daytime off but the evening looks good for me. You know where to find me. :D

And there's supposed to be some people coming out sometime between today and Saturday to remove 2 limbs from a very huge tree that got hit by lightning last week.

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dman ~ I will probably be doing most of the coordinating for this since Wormhole will be busy with moving into his house and such. I will keep your suggestions in mind while I'm figuring everything out.


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yeah, I had a services project forever ago. Still run it but it's for anything script related. Just made me curious becuase I noted my intentions with xmbs and paid services in an u2u to you then this was the first I heard about it happening here. I do not want competitive bs creating issues is all. I had even considered writing in to my copyrights that charging for installing or using it was a no no but I felt that was a tad bit stingy. Just so long as nobody steps on eachother's toes I am cool with it. I just don't want any bickering over it when we both end up providing our services. I do this for a living on the side and have been for about 5 years now so I have my place mat set for how and when I do it.:)

I may not care to ahve others banking off my content though as it would impose on my services at xmbsource. My only issue at current.:)
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Oh I don't see any problems. I'm going to do it a little different and offer it as a priority type thing. Nothing had been said before because the idea was tabled when I first opened. I just wanted to test the waters first, so to speak, but now in lieu of all these 'accidents' here lately something has to be done to curb it. I don't see any forseeable conflict really. All the big auto makers coexist selling the same thing. All the burger joints, hardware stores, webhosting companies, etc. I think we'll be alright as long as we continue to work together in unison. And, Lord knows, there's enough people to go around with a pretty steady influx of new users continuously.



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[*] Posted on 7-28-2004 at 07:18 PM Reply With Quote


That's GREAT, John! I'm glad we're sympatico. :cheer:



PLEASE DO NOT U2U ME FOR GENERAL SUPPORT ISSUES!!!

Growing old is only going back to where you're from.

~Kansas~

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